we learn of a different thomas jefferson here, somebody that almost, like, bill clinton. se seriously. you said just craved affection, wanted everybody to love him. you said he flirted with men and women alike. what do you mean? >> well, he was a is seducer. he was a vote getter. he had to -- you run campaigns. we all know people who have to win the heart and mind. >> portray him as a cold, detached man. >> margaret smith, the wife of the great republican editor in washington at the time, is sitting and we forget this because there weren't that many images around, she didn't know what jefferson looked like and a morning caller comes in. this very charming man and just telling stories and being brilliant and all of a sudden her husband walks in, mr. jefferson, i'm sorry i'm late. and her head explodes because she had been raised in this federalist family, taught this man was a great threat. >> she blushes and can't even speak. >> she has fallen -- one definition of charm is how do you make people fall in love with you without knowing why and jefferson had that. >> i never